. >> joining me now is msnbc's joy reid and richard wolff, and the organizer at united we dream. joy, what is the main difference between the president's plan and the other introduced yesterday? >> well, the main difference is triggers that seems to be you can do whatever you want if there is a trigger. and for the republicans they believe you have to do significant border enforcement first, and whoever decides they have deemed enforcement to be sufficient then you can allow people to get a path to citizenship. so it is basically probation, the 11 million undocumented people in the country would be on probation, but wouldn't get the pathway to citizenship until this decision is made that enforcement is sufficient. >> let's listen to a little what the president said about being a nation of immigrants. >> unless you're one of the first immigrants, the natives, you came from a land of immigrants, the germans, the irish, the polish, the russians, the chinese, the japanese, the huddled masses who came through ellis island on one coast. all of those folks, before there were us, there were them.